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It was truly a great show.  I did buy a U.S., with Ordnance Bomb,  marked Savage M220 12 gauge.  It is described in the 220 section with pictures.
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Good 'ol Bub!  You do know that longer barreled guns shoot HARDER, don't you?  He coulda put a bayonet on that thing and saved ammo!

Maybe somebody will buy it and find a decent barrel for it....
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Savage 220 Single Shot Hammerless Shotguns / Savage 220 Turkey Gun by Bubba
« Last post by Garnett on March 20, 2017, 09:19:11 PM »
At a show this weekend I saw a M220B 12 gauge that someone had fitted a 40 inch barrel to.  There was a 6 inch telescope sight base welded to the top of the barrel and about a 10 inch x 1/2 inch lead filled pipe welded to the bottom of the barrel in front of the forearm.  The gun saw lots of use.   Apparently it did not shoot as well as hoped for. :)
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Savage 219 Single Shot Rifles / Re: 219 30-30
« Last post by Garnett on March 16, 2017, 10:03:43 PM »
The early guns like yours did not have a date code.  Production ending at Utica in 1946 and started in Chicopee Falls in 1947.  Because of the color case hardened frame, I would guess it was made in 1947, but this is just a guess.  As to fitting a 20 gauge barrel....that could or could not be a problem.  The barrels are for sale on Ebay and Gunbroker.  There is a good chance the 20 gauge barrel will drop right in with a perfect, or it may need fitting.  I have had both ways happen to me.  The last barrel I had fitted was a conversion to .219 Zipper.  The first two guns I tried it on, it would not even close.  It almost closed on the third frame and I had my gunsmith fit it.  Also, get a forearm especially for the 20 gauge barrel.  If you modify the rifle forearm to fit the shotgun barrel for sure you will have a large gap around the rifle barrel and the fitting could change enough that it won't lock up on the rifle barrel any more.  Good luck.
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Savage 219 Single Shot Rifles / Re: 219 30-30
« Last post by cherokee5425 on March 16, 2017, 08:09:49 PM »
Garnett, Mike thanks for your input on my 219. I have always loved these gun's. Is there anyway to pinpoint about when mine was made? Also I would really love to find a 20ga barrel for it. What would be involved in fitting a 20ga barrel to my receiver to safely fire it? Thanks again.
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Savage 219 Single Shot Rifles / Re: 219 30-30
« Last post by Garnett on March 16, 2017, 11:34:02 AM »
Mike, I agree.  Parts were too valuable to be junked because the earlier name, etc. might be on them.  I do believe as you, that Utica marked guns with color casehardened frames were most likely assembled at Chicopee Falls.  Also, the unmarked & unfinished frames made at Utica could have been color casehardened at Chicopee Falls.  There is so much we will never knowand can only guess.
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Savage 219 Single Shot Rifles / Re: 219 30-30
« Last post by Mike Armstrong on March 16, 2017, 10:39:44 AM »
Garnett, is there a chance that this gun was assembled at Chicopee Falls from parts made at Utica on a later, case-colored receiver or an unfinished one made in Utica that was finished at Chicopee Falls later?  I've run into guns made up of older spare parts kept by the factory for customer repairs, then later finished and sold as part of a "cleanup" of saleable inventory. 

Colt did this periodically, which is why you sometimes find "modern" versions of revolvers like the "Army Special" and "New Service" with "old style" frames.  Winchester did a lot of it with their 1885 single shot rifles.  Both did the most of these "cleanups" right after WWI, when the gun market was very slow and cash was very short. 

I have a factory original Colt New Service .44-40 with all the post WWI "Improved Model" features except an "Old Style" frame that must have been forged before 1905!  Serial number and factory letter say that the gun was finished and shipped in 1920.
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Savage 219 Single Shot Rifles / Re: 219 30-30
« Last post by Garnett on March 15, 2017, 04:37:31 PM »
Thanks for the pictures! The barrel and receiver assembly numbers match and most likely the stock numbers will also.  You have a very nice gun at a great price!  Thanks for sharing with us!  I am going to have to research the "arrow or pine tree".  I don't really recall seeing it before, and especially not on the side of the receiver.  Also, being a Utica gun, it is only the second one I have seen that the frame was color casehardened.  Your gun is what I call a Second Model Utica.  It has all the early outside features other than the "Alloy" black painted trigger guard.  The First Model guns had a steel guard.  Thanks again for sharing with us.  I will see what I can find out about the arrow mark.  Best wishes, Garnett
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Savage 219 Single Shot Rifles / Re: 219 30-30
« Last post by cherokee5425 on March 15, 2017, 02:04:19 PM »
Here are some pictures. Left side showing Pine Tree or arrow stamp.




Inside receiver showing MV stamp and bottom of barrel.


Right side of frame, no marking

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Savage 220 Single Shot Hammerless Shotguns / Re: Factory Cut-A-Way Model 220 Action
« Last post by Garnett on March 14, 2017, 02:52:18 PM »
Thanks Mike!  I feel lucky to have found this one.
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