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Garnett

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Patent Drawings for M219/220
« on: January 02, 2016, 01:08:38 PM »
I need the Patent Number(s) for the Model 219 and Model 220 single shots.  I wrote to Savage in early November requesting them and have not gotten an answer.   I have searched the U.S. Patent site with the general term of "Model 219 Savage patent" and can not find anything.  Without a number the search seems hopeless.  I did find the patent for the "Savage Adjustable Choke".  Any help will be appreciated.

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Re: Patent Drawings for M219/220
« Reply #1 on: January 05, 2016, 09:34:04 AM »
Garnett, the problem may well be that these guns combine a number of pre-existing designs that had been around a long time.  So there may not be anything unique enough about them to patent.  Very likely if there are patent drawings for them, they are the patents for older "Stevens" break-action guns.

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Re: Patent Drawings for M219/220
« Reply #2 on: January 05, 2016, 11:20:26 AM »
That is a good thought.  Thanks for your input. 

Garnett

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Re: Patent Drawings for M219/220
« Reply #3 on: January 22, 2020, 03:03:41 PM »
Update.....1-22-2020

I did receive an answer from Savage Arms advising me to contact the Savage Historical Museum.  I did.  They advised me they did not have this information.  Very frustrating.

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Re: Patent Drawings for M219/220
« Reply #4 on: January 24, 2020, 07:39:27 PM »
Garnett,

A couple points. 

1.  Savage has always been kind of a half-witted company.  I honestly think they made some of the best, most useful guns...purely by accident...or through acquisition of Stevens, which was a very innovative company.  Case in point is the Model 42, which was a re-introduced and "modernized" idea after the Model 24.  But they so utterly botched the job, that people on the Savage 24 forum regularly laugh whenever someone brings up the new 42.  It's $350 plastic junk.  And there's a HUGE following for model 24s, so if they had put the time in and come out with an $800 gun with great caliber choices, they would have sold like hot cakes.  But they literally don't understand the appeal of the very gun they sold so many of.  My point in saying all of this, is that Savage is of very little help these days.  They make very accurate guns, but they just don't "get" a few things.  I love my old Savages, but sadly, that doesn't make the company lovable.

2.  You will often not find USPTO numbers associated with a model name.  So I would suggest searching under "single shot rifle" patents, with variations naming Savage Arms or Stevens Arms.  My hope is that Frank DeHaas already did this work decades ago, but I don't have a book on hand.  He definitely dedicated an entire chapter to the model 219.  He is and was an authority on American made single shot guns.  His daughter-in-law very kindly printed and mailed me that chapter a while back, as the book is long out of print.  I'll scrounge and see if I can find it, and if so, will note whether he referenced any patents. 

Old Frank had to do his research the hard way...the card catalog and lots of paper at the library!

Chris
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Garnett

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Re: Patent Drawings for M219/220
« Reply #5 on: January 24, 2020, 08:15:24 PM »
Chris, Thanks for your input.  I will try the PO search again using your suggestion.  I have a couple of books by Mr. DeHaas, but don't recall any drawings.  I will look again.  I have a very early ".22/.410" that is marked "Pat Pend".  It is in excellent condition, bought new by the father of a friend of mine.  Thanks again!

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Re: Patent Drawings for M219/220
« Reply #6 on: January 25, 2020, 08:39:07 AM »
Garnett,

Yes, those Stevens combo guns are a marvel.  Savage re-branded it the Savage 24 in 1950, and I've owned a few.  They vary dramatically in terms of how well regulated they are, but if you find one that shoots the rifle and shotgun to the same point of aim they are wonderful guns.

The Savage 99 was another great one, I believe still the only lever gun which could shoot non-rimmed cartridges.  What an innovation!  They made millions of them, for 100 years, and then abruptly stopped in 1998.  Who the heck knows why, because people pay a ton for them on GB.

If they re-issued the Savage 99 TODAY, chambered in 6.5 Creedmoor, they could sell them for $1200 and they wouldn't be able to make enough.

Chris

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Re: Patent Drawings for M219/220
« Reply #7 on: January 26, 2020, 02:08:38 PM »
I had a beautiful Savage 1899 with a tapered Oct. barrel in excellent conduit, but sadly....not smart enough to keep it. :-[