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Savage 219 Single Shot Rifles / Re: New to me - 25-20WCF
« Last post by StevenJ on May 06, 2024, 05:49:39 AM »
You can see in the previous image that the stock is cracked in two places. The same cracks are present on the other side of the stock also.

The stock appears to be refinished at some point as there are some rounded corners where it meets the steel work and the plastic buttstock was removed when it was sanded as it now no longer meets flush.

The worst aspect of this timber is that a tang site was installed at some stage and some wood was sacrificed to do so. I wonder which came first, the tang sight or the scope?

There is also a little chip on the bottom of the grip. This would be an easy fix, but the other aspects make me think that I will just make another stock for it.

The trigger guard can also be seen here. It is pressed metal and requires the elusive 'shaftless' screw driver to remove for refinishing.








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Savage 219 Single Shot Rifles / Re: New to me - 25-20WCF
« Last post by StevenJ on May 06, 2024, 05:43:16 AM »
Here is a shot of the action and trigger mechanism. It seems from what I have learnt here is that it is one of the earlier guns.



There is a small number 21 in a circle on the right side of the action. What does this mean?


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Savage 219 Single Shot Rifles / Re: New to me - 25-20WCF
« Last post by StevenJ on May 06, 2024, 05:39:25 AM »
I think I will need to recrown, or at least give a good clean to the muzzle if I am to try and determine a good load for this gun. The rifling is present but has seen better days too. Sometimes this matters, but I have also found that guns can still shoot well enough despite the wear they have.



I wonder about the front sight. It seems to be missing a bead although maybe it never had one. The sight is not easy to see so testing will be a challenge. The rear sight is probably one of the tidiest features of this gun. It is so much better than the remainder that I wonder if it is original. Maybe it was removed when the scope was installed, and the owner was careful enough to store it and replace it when it was handed to the local gun shop. Everything about this rear sight is crisp, although it is just a little dirty.




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Savage 219 Single Shot Rifles / Re: New to me - 25-20WCF
« Last post by StevenJ on May 06, 2024, 05:33:25 AM »
There are some holes that have been drilled for a side scope mount. I wish they were not there, but someone had a plan and this seemed to be part of the solution. I checked the thread size to be 3/32 - 32tpi, and my plan is to fill these holes and carefully take them down level.

It is a shame that the stamp has been drilled through. I know that UTICA means something to the collectors here. I could restore the text carefully, but I think I will just leave the text missing. There is enough present to know what it should have said.

My plan is to reblue the metal work. I have experimented with rust bluing on other guns and found this to be a fairly straight forward procedure that looks great. It would also give me the chance to reduce the impact of the vice jaw marks.



The left side of the action lets us know that it is in fact a 25-20 caliber. I think this means a whole lot more to some of those collectors. If you were close by, I'd let you have it for your collection, even if it is a 'well used' example.


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Savage 219 Single Shot Rifles / Re: New to me - 25-20WCF
« Last post by StevenJ on May 06, 2024, 05:26:46 AM »
Where to start....hmmm...?

Maybe with the stuff that interests Garnett....

All of the components are marked 208. I am not sure if this is a true serial number or if it is an assembly marking.
The stock is marked 208 O
The action is marked 208 O with a Z towards the hinge.
The barrel is marked 208 O with a J.






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Savage 219 Single Shot Rifles / New to me - 25-20WCF
« Last post by StevenJ on May 06, 2024, 05:22:44 AM »
Hi all,

I have posted on the introduction page to say g'day but I am going to post here about my new purchase.

I managed to pick up a 219 chambered for 25-20. It is a rough unit and not a collectors gun but I would be interested to know about its origin and what others may think about the idea I have to 'restore' or tidy up this gun.

I'll post the details in several posts to make it easier, but here is an overall image of the poor gun. I don't feel hard done by. I paid AUD $195 for it so it was not an expensive purchase. I bought it unseen, which is always a risk.

The positive features are that the metal locks up really tight. No movement what-so-ever. The rest I can work on over time.


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Hi! My Name is... / Re: G'day All
« Last post by Garnett on May 05, 2024, 11:46:52 PM »
Steven, Welcome to the forum!  You have a very hard to find caliber in the .25-20.  Also, I can see from the steel trigger guard, that your rifle is what I call a  "First Model Utica".  It could have been made before WWII.  Few of these rifles had serial numbers, and even if it did, the records have been lost.  We look forward to more pictures. 
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Hi! My Name is... / G'day All
« Last post by StevenJ on May 05, 2024, 09:51:11 PM »
Gday all,

Thanks to Garnett for assisting me to get onto this forum. I recently picked up a Savage 219 chambered for 25-20. In trying to find out about my new purchase, I landed here and started reading. It seems at this is the calibre that people would like to complete their collection but this gun is no collectors piece. Ill open another topic to discuss it and to ask my questions and keep this as an intro.

My interests are making black powder and learning how to do as much as I possibly can myself to get my rifle shooting. I can't see that I would ever make my own brass or primers, but just about everything else is fair game.

My purchase precipitated because I was looking for a single shot that is easy to clean from any black powder fouling. I already use my black powder to load my shotgun but I wanted a cartridge gun to test my powder more quantitatively. I was also after a caliber that was suited to my small 18 acre parcel of land.

For me, I think I enjoy tinkering with the guns more than I like shooting them. I do like to shoot, but for me shooting is the moment of truth that the variables I have been chasing have had an effect.

Below is the photo that I think seems to interest people the most. Plenty more photos to follow.



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Buy, Sell, Wanted, and Trade... / New Book For Sale: The Ithaca Model 49 Saddlegun
« Last post by Garnett on March 27, 2024, 11:18:18 AM »
This book is about the Ithaca Model 49 Saddlegun.  This single shot .22 caliber rifle was made from 1961 to 1978.  It is a Martini style action with an outside hammer.  This 128 page book has 17 chapters of text along with color photographs.  It shares the history of this rifle along with disassembly/reassembly instructions.  It also has pictures of all the parts.  The text is large and easy to read.  The cost is $40 with free shipping via USPS Media rate to the lower 48 states.
Please click on pictures below to enlarge.






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Hi! My Name is... / Re: Greetings
« Last post by Garnett on March 25, 2024, 10:37:04 AM »
Rick, Welcome to this forum!  I suggest checking EBay as some of these parts come up for sale from time to time, but they are hard to find.  Best wishes, Garnett
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